实际上也是一个新型的社会流行的体现:人们渐渐认识女权主义,一个时代里的新潮。我能理解妈妈,她智慧,但不想给儿子灌输女权思想,overthinking有时会毒害一个人享受生活的能力,女权主义也有属于它的虚伪。而且她也代表来自“旧时代”面对“新思想”的碰撞与磨合,不管接受与否,anything always changing! 20世纪的人们纵情玩乐,是对空虚的抵抗,但在party里只更显得孤独,过度依赖于外在刺激,用物质填满自己。这也是消费主义时代下的影响,个人对心灵空虚的找寻。感觉这个电影里值得探寻的还有很多,很棒的电影!!
(电影一半有感写下这段感悟,在电影临近结束时被剧中角色从口中说出,这种感觉好棒啊!有种和作者有心灵的connection的感觉!)
二十世纪的女性,更多机会,自由,不确定性。到底什么shape我们?不知道!
I think I’m still finding something! Maybe love, maybe myself! Maybe the finding will through my whole life never been ended, just like the mom did! No matter what, I’m alive!
20世纪女人
这是一部给过去的献礼。
整部电影都是在自述和叙述别人中进行,母亲描述儿子,儿子描述朱莉……大量对白建立起旁观者第三视野的感觉。
母亲
母亲作为房东,是联系起整个故事的纽带。母亲的角色也是二十世纪末期大多数中年人的缩影。他们侥幸没经历二战,但从贫困废墟下成长,渴望开拓与前进,年轻时也曾追逐潮流,但面对自1960年代末开始盛行的反战、同性、摇滚朋克这一系列新势力力不从心,甚至大多数持抵制态度。1979年,母亲55岁,年轻的她抽烟是为了追逐潮流,而当她面对儿子因为“dumb”/“stupid”不负责的把戏差点送命时,激烈的反对。儿子的理由是“follow others”,母亲却说你应该有自己的意识,知道什么是明智的。就像所有的家长一样,他们对着镜子只能看见成年的自己,却看不见年岁的轨迹,他们用经验教训孩子,却忘了年轻时候自己一样不负责。
这个开篇细小的矛盾其实已经写明了母亲这个角色所具有的矛盾性:自身限于岁月的经验历练,但内心深处保有对新潮的追逐。
就像母亲突然提议一起去酒吧玩,但杯盏过后,依然能冷静的对威廉说,你要对你的吻负责,你不认真爱一个人为何要和她上床?
母亲这个形象,比起生活中的大多数家长,是积极的。她努力去了解儿子,在Talking Heads和Black Flag里机械的摇头晃脑,她知道对儿子擅自离家看演出最好的回应是说:下次再这样,要提前告诉我,这样我就不会多做晚饭了。很智慧的理由,不轻不重的责备,暗暗告诫儿子你不仅是个个人,也要对家庭负责。
除了内在的矛盾,母亲的外在形象也是矛盾的,孤僻寂寞但对人有信任。在时代背景(卡特发布信任危机讲话)下,母亲在片头就会邀请救火的消防队员来家吃饭,但在儿子的叙事中,母亲是孤独的,找不到爱的。因为她不沟通,不主动寻求需要。
最终母亲没有活到千禧年,但母亲最终找到了伴侣陪她直至死去。像是上一代的人,最后妥协,然而还是无法抑制时代的脚步。
Jamie,Abbie and Julie
这三个角色互相影响,混合成时代的缩影。Abbie是新一代的嬉皮士,穿阔腿裤与印着Lou Reed的衬衫,染着红头发,看起来潇洒,但内心脆弱敏感。她相信女权,会在饭桌上公然讨论月经。但她也相信婚姻与家庭,就算养的鸟也是一夫一妻。她听摇滚,是男孩审美和性意识的启蒙,代表了时代的前锋,充满希望但又迷茫。Julie是男孩的感情世界,虽然她不希望成为男孩的母亲,但她某种意义上是这样的存在。她教男孩抽烟,带他真正意识到爱,性与青春。
除了时代缩影以外,Abbie与Julie的设定是很奇妙的存在。她们既因为母亲的嘱托,富有引领Jamie成长的责任,这使她们或多或少有了家长式的代入。另一方面,她们因为理解Jamie,也是他的一部分。所以当母亲责问Abbie不应该教男孩女权,母亲发现Julie与男孩同眠的车内对话时,其实是母亲与作为男孩一部分的角色的对话。
Julie和Abbie的存在使两个时代理解与交融。
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看这部片子,尤其是三个女主的设定,总是让我想起《时时刻刻》。虽然《时时刻刻》是更加意识流,精神层面的世代交替,是这部电影无法比的。但是这部电影总有或多或少时时刻刻的影子,导演的构图野心也是很大,影片里涵盖了阿甘正传式的历史插入,也有各种经典曲调与名作截取。
影片有很多闪光的细节,比如母亲与男孩的关系,最喜欢一句台词,母亲对Abbie说“You get to see him out in the world as a person. I never will.” 一句话讲出了母亲这个身份的限制与爱。但总体来讲,影片过于琐碎,还达不到时时刻刻这样成功的等级。
一些台词:
Don't need a man to raise a man?
You never tell me what you are going to do. You just do it.
Sex is a commitment. Once you are there, you can't go back to holding hands.
Of all the misconceptions about love, the most powerful and persuasive is the belief that falling in love is love.
Women's sexuality, defined by men to benefit men, has been downgraded and perverted, repressed and channeled.
Next time, a dude tells you a sex story. You just have to agree with everything he says and acts like it's right. Even if it's not, because they don't wanna be contradicted. They just wanna to live in their fantasy land.
Whatever you think your life is going to be like, just know, it's not going to be anything like that.
You get to see him out in the world as a person. I never will.
So you think you know me better because you read that.
Pretty music is used to cover up how unfair and corrupt society is.
It's like they have got all these feelings. And they don't have any skills and they don't need any skills, because it's really interesting. What happens when your passion is bigger than the tools that you have to deal with it. It creates this energy. This rock. Is this great?
时代是所有人的时代,个人只是洪流里的微小构成,这一刻,欧亚大陆的一边在腥风血雨,我在另一边吃穿住行悉如往常;可时代留在每个人身上的印记又太深刻了,没有疫情的日子像是一场回不去的梦,战争的延宕与埋在邻里的结盟危机也告诫着自己对出国与否的未来规划要未雨绸缪,毕竟,时代是所有人的时代,是我无法因为悲剧会产生就可以任性逃走的时代。
12:49 "you know having your heart broken is a tremendous way to learn about the world."
13:02 “Do you think you‘re happy?Like...as happy as you thought you'd be when you were at my age.” ——"Seriously? you don't ask people question like that." ——"You're my mom." ——"Hahahah... Especially your mom. Look, wondering if you're happy is a great shortcut to just being depressed."
14:23 "Pretty music is used to hide how unfair and corrupt society is." ——"Ok,so they are not very good. And they know that, right?" ——"It's like that they got all the feelings. And they don't have any skill. And they don't want skill because it's interesting. What happens when your passion is bigger than the tools you have to deal with it? It creates this energy. This, this...this is rock. Isn't great?"
17:44 "I mean everyone is doing it." ——"So you just went along with it." ——"It looked fun." ——"That's just dumb. Why would you do something so stupid? Just following along?"
18:20 "You scared the hell out of me. Why did you hurt yourself like that?" ——"Why do you smoke yourself to death?" ——”Why are you fine being sad and alone?“
19:40 "I think history has been tough on men. I mean that they can't be what they were. And they can't figure out what's next." ——"What're we talking about?" ——”Men?" ——”I think history and men. I mean who're your heros nowadays? A brunch of privileged drug addicts?"
24:58 ”I think that Jamie's energy is very... unstable“ ——”Well, you're right. Then there's an energy crisis, maybe that plays into someway.“
36:26 "Of all the misconception of love, the most powerful and persuasive is the bielf that falling in love is love. Or at least one of the manifestion of love. Love is supposed to be a feeling that you feel. People say they're falling in love but they're not actually falling in love. It's a fake connection that you feel with someone. And marriage should never happen."少有人走的路
42:28 "You will get through this. You will do it. This is the really hard part. And then what happens is there is hard part and then it gets better, and then it gets hard again, but never mind. ”
47:32 "This is just my opinion. I think being strong is the most important quality. It's not being vulnerable. It's not being sensitive. It's not even...Honestly, it's not even being happy. It's about strength. And your durability against the other emotions."
48:27 “There are bunch of things, that I think my life would have been better if they were have been around when I was a teenager. So I'm hoping, that if you listen to them ,now, you will be happier and more realized person than I could ever hope to be.“
54:00 "My mother called it compartmentalization. Apparently, I do it a lot."
1:08:44 "How are you dealing with everything?” ——"Whatever you think your life going to be like, just konw, it's going to be anything like that."
1:24:04 I am gregarious and interested in others and I think intelligence. All I ask is to get to konw people and to have them interested in konwing me. I doubt whether I would marry again and live that close to another individual. But I remain invisible. Don't pretent for a minute, as you look at me that I am not as live as you are and I do not suffer from the category to which you are forcing me.
1:27:46 “There is a growing disrespect for government. The schools, the news media, and all the institutions. This is not a message of happiness or reassurance. But it is the truth and it is a warning. It is a crisis of confidence. What we can see in the crisis in the growing doubt of the meaning of our own lives and in the loss of unity and purpose for our nation. Too many of us now tend to worship, self indulgence and consumption. But we have discovered that owning things and consuming things does not satisfy our longing for meaning. We are always believe that we are a part of great movement, of humanity itself , involved for the sesearch for freedom. We are at a turning point of our history, the path leads to fragmentation and self-interest, down that road lies a mistaken idea of freedom. It is a certain route to failure.”1975.7.15 吉米卡特 信任危机演讲
1:46:02 "Were you and dad ever in love?" ——"Sure... or maybe I was just I thought it is supposed to be in love. Or I was scared I'd never be in love. So I just pick the best solution at that time."
不得不说妈妈还挺酷的,上飞行学校,买IBM、Xerox、GM的股票,科技先锋本锋。
女主角剧中妈妈、女人角色的人生选择、态度本身就非常棒。演员更是我喜欢的那种美。很喜欢这种可以接受自然衰老,不畏惧皱纹的强大女性。
我妈妈也是二十世纪女人。而我永远只能看到作为母亲的她,看不到作为女人的她。
How lucky Jimmy had such a cool mom!
即使她见过大风大浪,她并没有世间一切的答案,她只是接受了很多事情没有答案的现实;她不愿承认自己不开心,她不愿承认自己孤独,是因为开心和陪伴固然好,但没有的话,就也还好呀。有几场戏的对话写得不太好,大部分都很棒。喜欢A24的经典片头特效配在片中,有种特殊的疏离感。
这部外表清新独立的文艺片,有着一颗火热的内心。它小巧的格局委婉的述说着两男三女间的小情小爱和小愁小怨,它是时代变迁下不同年龄群体间关系冲突与变化的生动肖像,也是一首送给80年代女性的怀旧小情歌。
所有的光芒都向我涌来。
基本上是女主的电影。Gerwig和Fanning有点被type cast的感觉。
menstruation
比较失望,故事很散,有一些细节比较可爱但也连不起来。又是一部披着“女性电影”的外衣的电影,其实本质还是一个男孩成长加母子关系修复的故事,大概这个话题真的很好卖吧。女权这个概念反复出现,对电影里的角色意味着什么我不知道,大概它就像是晚餐的一道甜品吧。贝宁演得不错。
片名无比宏大,但Mike Mills仅凭极小的故事格局就四两拨千斤折射出了时代的洪荒感,而那种成长和生活中最难以捕捉的情绪也都在细腻笔触下被生动地描绘了出来,真的让我想起看Boyhood时那种被平凡中史诗感淹没的感受。没想到是颁奖季最爱的一部。
抽烟,跳舞,聚会,恋爱,争吵,时间是溪,也是母亲的手,漫过青春期那些短的沉默与长的无意义。在女性环绕下成长起来的男孩子,难免带上些女性的特质,观察世界的方式,或者与人群的交际,提出与思考的问题,都是母亲与女孩子们赋予的赠礼。
生活本身就不可预测,这也是碎片式叙述的《二十世纪女人》最迷人的地方。还说不懂女人,或许看完这一部,你会发现,你离这个神奇的物种更近了一步......
结局还算圆满,可最后的旁白道尽了时代的远去,还是让这个故事变得伤感起来,故事里蕴藏着一些小幽默在其中,而且难得的是这些幽默既不装也不做作,很自然的随着对话流露出来,看着还是挺舒服的,不至于那么沉闷,可惜感触不是太深。特别喜欢格蕾塔·葛韦格那个角色的人设,她自己也演得非常的出色。
美獨陳套孤僻少年vs美好女孩之feel-good小鎮成長故事的加強版(變成媽媽、女房客姐姐、床伴女孩之間)。延續《新手人生》剪接策略,大時代下的邊緣小人物,點綴貌似宏觀的時代指涉(70s末雷根上任前,基進喧嘩的晚響)。媽媽特別可愛,企圖新潮的老派衣著(?),Annette Bening。母子是唯二有旁白的。
可以说是非常 art fag 了
风格不错,贝宁阿姨也确实演的好,鲜明的时代特征,但格局不大
变革的洪流朝你身上轰轰碾过,你的影子轻轻摇晃。未来会更好,因为时代进步了,因为你老了。
如此知性的电影,知性的剧作,知性的表演。人活着除了温饱苟且琐事外,还有精神灵魂。影片展示、探讨的种种,离我们似乎很远,又很近。是个小品,却让人思索。
所谓洪荒感正如William所说,那一连串看似空洞的物件照片被排列在一起,突然就让人伤感起来,好像所有难以言明的失落都顷刻有了归属。普通的成长故事在已成历史的年代中开场,波澜不惊地向着早已写好的结局演进了一步——Mike Mills在富文本层面上全面进化,人物丰满得让人失语。
被科普了一个名字,20世纪女人,剧本原创性毋庸置疑,旁白偶尔让人想到《美国丽人》,全知视角加群戏的路子是个聪明的做法,只是最终做成了女权主义少年养成记,就像是摆了很多时代感的论据,论文最终说了件流俗的事情,不如编剧的写法聪明,有种眼高手低的感觉。